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@enobacon@urbanists.socialAre people using their #EV range for 200-mile trips between cities or is it more like commuting 30-40 miles per day and driving 20-50 more some days for random errands? How many of the trips are less than 3-5 miles and just add up to being too inconvenient to plug in at work or between longer trips?
Being pretty car-lite, spouse ends up driving 100 miles per week, some of which are 10 or 15-mile round trips I would do via electric cargo bike. A lot is errands or activities within 3-5 miles, but some is planned around the car and might go differently if she saw bikes as viable / non-intimidating transportation, and she's especially uncomfortable with the idea of having kids on board, flat-out won't try it on this [paint/missing] infrastructure. #RangeAnxiety #VisionZero #FuckCars #Bollards
@enobacon For my partner it's mostly short trips I do on a bike, but disability+road environment+adaptation anxiety get in the way and the pleasure of the isolating car-bubble is strong. The range isn't huge, but we use it to shift charging to times when there's a lot of sun on the panels, and to leave the top ~20% of the capacity unused to extend cell lifetime.
Also the offspring agrees that no one _else_ should be in cars, but not that _they_ shouldn't be chauffeured everywhere in one.
@enobacon I don't have an EV yet, but I would expect to use it for trips of up 175 miles pretty frequently (to visit family) or it just wouldn't work for my purposes
@enobacon in my case it would be going to visit folks in small towns. Unless they also had a charger at their house, it would be pretty annoying, we're not always traveling on an interstate. Because of these types of things I'm unlikely to get an all electric car as our next one, but that probably won't be for a bit so who knows. (I would prioritize not having to get more than one car for the two of us)
@nirak The 8-12A charger with standard plug will do 3-5mph (on any outlet where you would feel comfortable plugging-in a space heater on high, or medium for 3mph.) You can also get 240V chargers that will go up to 24A on a dryer circuit, about 20mph charging, dual-voltage ones will do that whole range and take it with you, plan ahead your stay duration vs charge speed, local driving plans while there. Hotels often have free 32A 240V ~25mph
@enobacon I understand they're being used more or less like cars; 60% of car trips are 5 miles or less
<2% are greater than 50 miles
@pleaseclap I'm wondering if daily use drives the desire for 300-500 mile range, or if that's just a few trips per year. When do we get the rooftop biodiesel turbine range extenders? Or liquid hydrogen fuel cells? Advantages of smaller battery, entry cost, and less weight rolling around in town while being able to rent/lease a distance extender.
@enobacon That's basically exactly it: just like people overestimate how often they really need a pickup truck, they over-estimate how often they drive long distance
Really you don't even need a special range extender: if most people had an EV as a daily driver and rented a gas or hybrid car a couple times a year when they actually need it, it would be a massive emissions reduction
@pleaseclap I think there's a logistics thing of loading kids and stuff into a car that is definitely an advantage if it's the way you always go in a car, if you can just stop at the gas station and get a module, battery or whatever it is. Maybe putting the long distance miles on another vehicle is better but there could also be trains...
@enobacon EVs with swappable batteries served by battery swap stations is almost as cool as trains I agree
@enobacon Max range is plenty enough, though I wouldn’t want a car with less range than my 2018 Bolt, especially when driving on 70 mph roads with climate control on. Mixture of day trips and overnight trips. I always research good charging stations on PlugShare before I head out.
@enobacon Most of the days the commute is 10 to 20 miles ...on average once a week i have a round trip of 200 miles. So my blazerEV RWD with estimated EPA range of 325 miles is fine...never any need to charge outside of home...even at 30F or 100F ambient temp.
@enobacon One summer, I tried not to drive. I don't recall how successful I was, but I rode my bike a lot.
I kept a list of car-errands and when the weather changed, I started doing them
The idea being I could combine trips. I don't really feel like it worked. It probably did, but it seemed like a lot
@crowdotblack "recycle old dishwasher" is a car errand I'm just going to do by cargo bike.
@enobacon A few parts at a time?
@crowdotblack it'll fit whole