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HarriettMB<a href="https://masto.ai/@Nonilex" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@Nonilex</a> Love justice <a href="https://beige.party/tags/Boasberg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Boasberg</a> . He’s tying the <a href="https://beige.party/tags/DOJ" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DOJ</a> in knots and making fools of them.

Nonilex<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Boasberg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Boasberg</a>: this would be cabined, expedited proceeding. then i'd give govt till wednesday to give their responses on whether they have objections to [discovery] plaintiffs propose. the next day i'll order a timeframe. then i'll ask parties to brief ... then i'll decide if there's constructive custody & , if so, we then go on to remedy. any questions? [none] Okay, thanks everybody. Hearing concluded.<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#law</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#immigration</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/AlienEnemiesAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AlienEnemiesAct</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Rendition</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DueProcess" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DueProcess</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Judiciary</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Trump</a>

Nonilex<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Boasberg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Boasberg</a> asks DOJ same question.<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DOJ" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DOJ</a>: we'd have to brief that further. lot of issues with that.Boasberg: here's what i'm going to do. i'll issue order tomorrow. brief order. i'll give you, DOJ, an opportunity to file further declarations from <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/state" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#state</a> dept or anyone else regarding constructive custody issue. till end of day friday. then, mr gelernt, give you till Monday, having to review, & say either this is enough or, if you want additional discovery. <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#law</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#immigration</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DueProcess" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DueProcess</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Trump</a>

NonilexGelernt: all those individuals were in <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/INA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#INA</a> proceedings. Most applying for <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/asylum" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#asylum</a> or some other form of protection. if they dont prevail, nothing prevents them from being removed under normal proceedings.<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Boasberg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Boasberg</a>: what would that look like on the ground, if not returning them to <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/detention" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#detention</a> facilities in the <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/US" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#US</a>.Gelernt: nonstarter that this could go on at <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/CECOT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CECOT</a> …at <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Guantanamo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Guantanamo</a>? probably harder for everyone--harder to make sure everyone got attorneys etc.<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#law</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#immigration</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Trump</a>

Nonilex<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Boasberg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Boasberg</a>: your stronger argument is justiciability, not the interpretation of the <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/AEA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AEA</a>?<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DOJ" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DOJ</a>: no, we do believe we have the better of [both arguments]Boasberg: let's move on to remedy. Mr. Gelernt, Assume I find custody & find violation. for the <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/CECOT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CECOT</a> class, you've said remedy is to facilitate their return. But there's other remedies. giving them notice & hearings there. or moving them to <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Guantanamo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Guantanamo</a>. but then we're back in INA land.(Conventional <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Immigration</a> & Nationality Act proceedings.)

Nonilex<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DOJ" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DOJ</a>: they did say it's largely <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immune" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#immune</a> from <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/legal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#legal</a> review.<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Boasberg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Boasberg</a>: your clients are saying scotus upheld the proclamationDOJ: it did allow the proclamation to take effectBoasberg: [reading from <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/SCOTUS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SCOTUS</a> ruling] "we do not reach those arguments." It didn't decide one way or other.DOJ: but did say there was very limited review.Boasberg: so it's your view all these <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/judges" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#judges</a> are just wrong & <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Trump</a> did validly invoke <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/AEA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AEA</a>?DOJ: ... govt will appeal<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#law</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#immigration</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Judiciary</a>

Nonilex<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Boasberg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Boasberg</a>: you've essentially admitted their rights were violated. if they're in constructive custody, what's the remedy?<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DOJ" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DOJ</a>: ...Boasberg: now we've got <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/judges" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#judges</a> in <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/SDNY" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SDNY</a>, <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/SDTex" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SDTex</a>, <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DColo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DColo</a>, plus a circuit judge in <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DC</a> all finding that invasion & predatory incursion have <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/military" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#military</a> connotations so proclamation did not properly invoke <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/AEA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AEA</a>. agree that's where things stand?DOJ: yes.Boasberg: <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/SCOTUS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SCOTUS</a> never said AEA was properly invoked.<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#law</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#immigration</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/AlienEnemiesAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AlienEnemiesAct</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DueProcess" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DueProcess</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Trump</a>

Nonilex<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Boasberg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Boasberg</a>: If i find proclamation did not properly invoke <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/AEA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AEA</a> at all?Gelernt: then they should all come back.Boasberg turns back to <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DOJ" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DOJ</a>. You certainly agree w/ <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/SCOTUS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SCOTUS</a> they need to receive meaningful notice.DOJ: Yes, that was prospective relief. from that moment onward.Boasberg: agree they got no <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DueProcess" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DueProcess</a>?DOJ: i can't say it was the same as they'd get right now. Boasberg: so transferring them to CECOT w/o process, scotus says due process required... <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#law</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#immigration</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Trump</a>

Nonilex<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Boasberg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Boasberg</a>: okay, [switching to the <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/CECOT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CECOT</a> class], did they get any notice at all?Gelernt: we don't know. some may have gotten a notice ...but it said there was *no review*. that's what AG's guidance was ...Boasberg: so <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DueProcess" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DueProcess</a> does provide you w/meaningful opportunity to file <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/HabeasCorpus" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#HabeasCorpus</a>. are you getting that now?Gelernt: we would have to have each individual at CECOT have opportunity to prove they weren't gang members, or for govt to prove they were.<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#law</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#immigration</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/AEA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AEA</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Trump</a>

Nonilex<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DOJ" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DOJ</a>: if going to be somewhere else in US, their <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/habeas" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#habeas</a> has to be heard there. [But DOJ emphasizes that it's speculative what's going to happen to these criminal defendants down the road.]<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Boasberg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Boasberg</a> now asking Gelernt, of ACLU, about irreparable harm.Gelernt: the problem is, at 8pm tonight, they could move them from criminal custody to <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/ICE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ICE</a> custody & they could be removed from country by 8am tomorrow morning.<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#law</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#immigration</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/AlienEnemiesAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AlienEnemiesAct</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Rendition</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DueProcess" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DueProcess</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Judiciary</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Trump</a>

Nonilex<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Boasberg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Boasberg</a>: are there still 32 individuals in criminal custody with active detainers against them. [this refers to a proposed class relating to criminally confined aliens in the US.]<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DOJ" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DOJ</a>: not sure.Boasberg: let's assume for a minute that all these people will be removed after criminal proceedings run their course, & that those 32 could challenge their future rules for <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/habeas" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#habeas</a>—then can we hear it?<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#law</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#immigration</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/AlienEnemiesAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AlienEnemiesAct</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Rendition</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DueProcess" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DueProcess</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Judiciary</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/AbuseOfPower" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AbuseOfPower</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Trump</a>

Nonilex<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DOJ" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DOJ</a>: none of the cases plaintiff cited involved asking a foreign sovereign before a decision can be made. That cuts against idea we have constructive custody—especially immediate custody. ...question is can we immediately produce without another country having a say in it?<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Boasberg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Boasberg</a>: cites a case where consultation w/ Saudi Arabia was required.DOJ: yes, but that was just consultation. <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#law</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#immigration</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/AlienEnemiesAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AlienEnemiesAct</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Rendition</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DueProcess" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DueProcess</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Judiciary</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/AbuseOfPower" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AbuseOfPower</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Trump</a>

Nonilex<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Boasberg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Boasberg</a>: Secy <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/KristiNoem" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#KristiNoem</a> said, "One of tools in our toolkit." Is she wrong?<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DOJ" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DOJ</a>: i'm not going to parse out every statement l...Boasberg: does that means these statements aren't true?DOJ: not what i'm saying at all...Boasberg: what you're telling me ... are you willing to provide that in declarations?DOJ: we don't believe discovery is necessary. can consult with State dept.<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#law</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#immigration</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/AlienEnemiesAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AlienEnemiesAct</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Rendition</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DueProcess" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DueProcess</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Judiciary</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/AbuseOfPower" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AbuseOfPower</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Trump</a>

Nonilex<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Boasberg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Boasberg</a>: there's a grant to <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/ElSalvador" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ElSalvador</a> ... [he gives a dollar figure]<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DOJ" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DOJ</a>: there were grants to El SalvadorBoasberg: your note from Landau — you're not thinking that's controlling. all he says is el salvador makes it's own sovereign decisions. doesn't even apply to these people at <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/CECOT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CECOT</a>, right? DOJ: ... Boasberg: white house spox Karoline Leavitt said ~$6M to El Salvoador to house these *terrorists*. is she wrong?DOJ: there were grants provided. can be utilitzed for costs.<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#law</a>

NonilexDOJ: <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/KilmarAbregoGarcia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#KilmarAbregoGarcia</a> was held in Maryland at one point.<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Boasberg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Boasberg</a>: no way to say Abrego Garcia is in constructive custody but these plaintiffs are not?DOJ ...Boasberg: is <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/US" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#US</a> paying <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/ElSalvador" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ElSalvador</a>DOJ: here's what i can present ... there is no agreement or arrangement whereby US maintains any agency or control over prisoners. no constructive custody. what exists is a letter ... <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#law</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#immigration</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/AlienEnemiesAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AlienEnemiesAct</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Rendition</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DueProcess" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DueProcess</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Judiciary</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/AbuseOfPower" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AbuseOfPower</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Trump</a>

Nonilex<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DOJ" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DOJ</a>: some differences. he was detained in MD at one point<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Boasberg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Boasberg</a>: but in terms of constructive custody no difference?DOJ: some nuances ... Boasberg: you didn't dispute issue of custody—govt never disputed question of custodyDOJ: govt does take position they are not able to return him. Boasberg: currently what's diffence between custody <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/ElSalvador" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ElSalvador</a> holds over <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/KilmarAbregoGarcia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#KilmarAbregoGarcia</a> & these plaintiffs. ... there's no difference is there?<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#law</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#immigration</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/AlienEnemiesAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AlienEnemiesAct</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Trump</a>

Nonilex<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DOJ" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DOJ</a>: influence does not equate to constructive custody.<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Boasberg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Boasberg</a>: my question is, was president telling the truth? you've got <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/ElSalvador" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ElSalvador</a> VP saying issue has to be solved in the <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/US" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#US</a> ... DOJ: goes to whether salvador has a say at all or not. if it has a say, that does negate --Boasberg: but you wouldn't dispute that in terms of custody, no difference between <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/KilmarAbregoGarcia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#KilmarAbregoGarcia</a> & plaintiffs here?<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#law</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#immigration</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/AlienEnemiesAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AlienEnemiesAct</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Rendition</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DueProcess" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DueProcess</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Judiciary</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/AbuseOfPower" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AbuseOfPower</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Trump</a>

Nonilex<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DOJ" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DOJ</a>: boils down to whether <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/US" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#US</a> has agency... <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Boasberg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Boasberg</a>: you're saying if i find constructive custody, there's venue here in DC?DOJ: [first] you have to determine you have venue Boasberg: if there is constructive custody then venue's appropriate here?DOJ: yes, your honor. Boasberg: in looking at constructive custody … didn't <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Trump</a> say just last week that he could secure return of <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/KilmarAbregoGarcia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#KilmarAbregoGarcia</a> by just picking up the phone? was he not telling the truth?<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#law</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#immigration</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/AEA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AEA</a>

Nonilex<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Boasberg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Boasberg</a>: let's move to custody now. one of questions i'm wrestling with is should we have some jurisdictional discovery. do you want discovery & if so what do you want to learn?Gelernt: we have enough discovery for you to order to facilitate. govt hasn't disputed there was payment, that they were sent to <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/CECOT" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CECOT</a>. if you think discovery is appropraite, only thing — a lot of obstacles. I wouldn't start w/depos. but i think your honor already has enough facts to find constructive custody.<a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#law</a>

NonilexGorski: what's important is future legal custodians. what matters is future confinement. not current. <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Boasberg" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Boasberg</a>: do you think Padilla could have sued in Washington before he was transferred to Charleston. Gorski: if he had notice in advance, yes.Boasberg moves on to the next issue. <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#law</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/immigration" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#immigration</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/AlienEnemiesAct" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AlienEnemiesAct</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Rendition" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Rendition</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/StateSponsoredAbduction" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#StateSponsoredAbduction</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Constitution" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Constitution</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/DueProcess" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DueProcess</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Judiciary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Judiciary</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/SeparationOfPowers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SeparationOfPowers</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/AbuseOfPower" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#AbuseOfPower</a> <a href="https://masto.ai/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Trump</a>

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