@ralphm Going back Slack/Discord use cases, one can react to an old message (ej. for role bots) or use emojis as a way to run informal polls. So they might need to refer to an old message, that requires message IDs, which bring in state to be kept on the server side. #xmpp already has that concept from what I can see in the blog, stanza-id. Does the XML parsing requirements of xmpp make use of XML namespaces?
https://blahaj.social/@leah/114322213914414565
Looking into the matrix protocol cemented that idea for me. Matrix even described as an "eventually consistent JSON store"! That is not a good thing. Something so complex is unlikely to be implemented by a single user w/o an innordinate amount of effort
I am impressed by how lightweight #XMPP is. Most of time, I am not able to open even simple websites on my mobile data while in underground #Delhi metro, but XMPP messages go through immediately.
On a related note, I remember having internet issues in my previous phone a couple of years ago after switching to Lineage OS. Matrix, websites etc. didn't use to work. But XMPP messages used to go through fine.
@leah Pretty sure that @prosodyim will stay with #XMPP
After a lot of years, I just shut down my #xmpp server and removed prosody 
Dino 0.5 is out! 
Dino now features improved file transfers and two completely reworked dialogs.
Release blog post: https://dino.im/blog/2025/04/dino-0.5-release/
#discord IS LITERALLY THE PROBLEM!
It's worse than any #IRC, #Mumble or even the old #TeamSpeak & #Skype for that matter.
It combines the disadvantages of #Forum, #paywalled #documentation, #chat and #voicechat with 0 redeeming qualities (unlike #Zulip & Mumble & #XMPP+#OMEMO) it's just an #InformationBlackhole!
I'm shure fecking #dread has better moderation and I'd rather use #MicrosoftTeams + #Slack cuz those at least have proper #moderation tools.
Case in point: I'd rather #SelfHost all my comms infrastructure than to ever use something like Discord or any other #GDPR-violating SaaS that is just enshittification.
I'd rather recommend people to instead choose a tool that does everything but horrible to go with multiple smaller & good tools
Check @alternativeto and @european_alternatives for options.
@erebion There is the possibility to sponsor further development of https://github.com/dino/dino #XMPP client.
What would be some good places to donate towards improving #XMPP stuff?
I'm mostly happy, but would like to donate to make sure I can continue to enjoy it all, but don't know where.
#Messenger Apps mit #XMPP-Protokoll
Na ja, es ist ja nur ein Protokoll, genau wie das #ActivityPub protocol fürs Fediversum.
Das war mal überfällig--Übersicht über mögliche Apps:
https://eversten.net/blog/tabelle/
Ich vermute mal, die können auch alle miteinander komunizieren.
Mich würden die aktiven Nutzerzahlen interessieren, aber nachdem 95% der Apps nach dem 3. Monat nicht mehr genutzt werden...
"Messenger, die den offenen Standard xmpp.org verwenden."
@thevril @pluralistic @kino
@kkarhan @Blaumensch1 @kuketzblog @monocles @delta #xmpp oder #matrix. Ich hab mich für nen eigenen Matrix Server entschieden. Läuft wie warme Butter auf nem #vps mit #docker bei Strato.
Gajim 2.1.0 has been released
This release brings an all-new activity feed and adds support for Message Displayed Synchronization across group chats.
Thank you for all your contributions! 
Support Gajim's development: https://liberapay.com/Gajim
Pourquoi pas #Threema o quelque chose utilisand #XMPP?
https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/114184094353164703
#Signal a des problèmes graves de sécurité vis à vis l'utlisation de Cloud Services aux États-Unis:
@Rgsharpe @jwz I kind of get using Signal if you think you're in a government's radar and want E2EE today and don't know anyone trustworthy to run an #XMPP server for you and don't mind sharing your phone number to a US company and some of its users ("least worst", as you said)
Since I have the privilege of not being in that situation, I'm instead supporting the open, federated, enshittification-resistant XMPP protocol so we can give ourselves comparable privacy and more besides
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