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alephoto85 :endeavourOS: :netbsd: :freebsd: :xmpp:Ok, ok, la cosa mi sta sfuggendo di mano ma ho aperto una nuova Muc XMPP dedicata alla fotografia e all'arte contemporanea. Se siete interessatз... <a href="https://invite.woodpeckersnest.space/#fotografia@conference.magicbroccoli.de%3Fjoin%3D%3D%3D" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://invite.woodpeckersnest.space/#fotografia@conference.magicbroccoli.de%3Fjoin%3D%3D%3D</a> <a href="https://fedi.bobadin.icu/tags/fotografia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#fotografia</a> <a href="https://fedi.bobadin.icu/tags/artecontemporanea" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#artecontemporanea</a> <a href="https://fedi.bobadin.icu/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#xmpp</a> <a href="https://fedi.bobadin.icu/tags/xmppit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#xmppit</a> <a href="https://fedi.bobadin.icu/tags/xmppitalia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#xmppitalia</a> <a href="https://fedi.bobadin.icu/tags/chat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#chat</a>

GajimGajim 2.1.1 has been released 🥳 This release brings layout improvements to Gajim’s Start Chat dialog, an improved message search, and includes fixes for some issues with Message Displayed Synchronization.Thank you for all your contributions! ❤️ Support Gajim's development: <a href="https://liberapay.com/Gajim" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://liberapay.com/Gajim</a><a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gajim</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#xmpp</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/chat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#chat</a> <a href="https://gajim.org/post/2025-04-17-gajim-2.1.1-released/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://gajim.org/post/2025-04-17-gajim-2.1.1-released/</a>

Debacle<a href="https://piaille.fr/@movim" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@movim</a> <a href="https://chrastecky.dev/u/dominik" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@dominik</a>Note, that <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OMEMO</a> has been taken directly from Signal, only adapted for <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>.Most modern <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/Jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Jabber</a> clients default to OMEMO for one-to-one conversations nowadays. For private groups, I believe, users still have to enable it explicitely.I'm not aware of any public Jabber server that would still accept non-TLS connections, so you have both transport <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/encryption" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#encryption</a> and <a href="https://framapiaf.org/tags/e2ee" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#e2ee</a>.

Dalai<a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@kuketzblog" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@kuketzblog</a> <a href="https://toots.ch/tags/messenger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#messenger</a> <a href="https://toots.ch/tags/signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#signal</a> <a href="https://toots.ch/tags/matrix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#matrix</a> <a href="https://toots.ch/tags/threema" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#threema</a> <a href="https://toots.ch/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#xmpp</a> <a href="https://toots.ch/tags/whatsapp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#whatsapp</a> <a href="https://toots.ch/tags/briar" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#briar</a> <a href="https://toots.ch/tags/music" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#music</a> <a href="https://toots.ch/tags/art" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#art</a>

Carmen Zedler<a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@kuketzblog" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@kuketzblog</a> „<a href="https://mastodon.bida.im/tags/signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#signal</a> und <a href="https://mastodon.bida.im/tags/threema" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#threema</a> für normale Nutzer, <a href="https://mastodon.bida.im/tags/matrix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#matrix</a> und <a href="https://mastodon.bida.im/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#xmpp</a> für Menschen mit starkem Autonomiebedürfnis, und <a href="https://mastodon.bida.im/tags/Bria" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Bria</a> für <a href="https://mastodon.bida.im/tags/aktivistinnen" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#aktivistinnen</a> und politisch Verfolgte.“ <a href="https://mastodon.bida.im/tags/messenger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#messenger</a> <a href="https://mastodon.bida.im/tags/digitalisierung" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#digitalisierung</a> <a href="https://mastodon.bida.im/tags/vernunft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#vernunft</a> <a href="https://mastodon.bida.im/tags/socialmedia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#socialmedia</a> <a href="https://mastodon.bida.im/tags/verschworungsmythen" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#verschworungsmythen</a> <a href="https://mastodon.bida.im/tags/politik" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#politik</a> <a href="https://mastodon.bida.im/tags/widerstand" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#widerstand</a> <a href="https://mastodon.bida.im/tags/kommunikation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#kommunikation</a>

Mike Kuketz 🛡Sobald man öffentlich über Messenger spricht, kommen sie aus ihren Löchern: Trolle, Möchtegern-Experten und Dogmatiker. Differenz? Unerwünscht. Halbwissen? Pflicht. Ich hab mir mal den Frust von der Seele geschrieben – über das Elend der Diskussionen rund um sichere Kommunikation. 👇<a href="https://www.kuketz-blog.de/die-messenger-debatte-ist-kaputt/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.kuketz-blog.de/die-messenger-debatte-ist-kaputt/</a><a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/messenger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#messenger</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#signal</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/threema" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#threema</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/matrix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#matrix</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#xmpp</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/whatsapp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#whatsapp</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/briar" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#briar</a>

Spar|fin|dig :: Jan :mastodon:Der wichtige Beitrag von Mike <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@kuketz" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@kuketz</a> bringt es auf den Punkt: Die Messenger-Debatte ist kaputt! Sein neuer Artikel analysiert klar, wie toxisch und polarisiert Diskussionen über sichere Kommunikation heute sind.Zwischen den technisch Unbedarften auf der einen und den Digital-Heiligen auf der anderen Seite bleibt kaum Raum für pragmatische Differenzierung.Sein realistisches Fazit: Es gibt nicht DEN einen perfekten Messenger, sondern verschiedene Lösungen für unterschiedliche Bedürfnisse.Lesenswert für alle, die durch das Minenfeld der Messenger-Debatten navigieren!👉 <a href="https://www.kuketz-blog.de/die-messenger-debatte-ist-kaputt/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.kuketz-blog.de/die-messenger-debatte-ist-kaputt/</a><a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/Messenger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Messenger</a> <a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/Datenschutz" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Datenschutz</a> <a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/DigitaleSouver%C3%A4nit%C3%A4t" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DigitaleSouveränität</a> <a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Signal</a> <a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/Threema" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Threema</a> <a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/Matrix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Matrix</a> <a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> <a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/Briar" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Briar</a> <a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/Kommunikation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Kommunikation</a> <a href="https://digitalcourage.social/tags/DigitalerAlltag" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#DigitalerAlltag</a>From: <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@kuketzblog" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@kuketzblog</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@kuketzblog@social.tchncs.de/114348222304998107" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://social.tchncs.de/@kuketzblog@social.tchncs.de/114348222304998107</a>

Gabriel 📻Actualizaron gajim y dino (ayer en arch) y ahora deberían funcionar sincronizando las conversaciones ya leídas con android. <a href="https://mastodon.uy/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#xmpp</a>

Friedhof der Kuschelbiere 🇺🇦🇮🇱<a href="https://social.tchncs.de/@kuketzblog" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@kuketzblog</a> Ich habe bisher eigentlich nur gute Erfahrungen gemacht, habe den Einen oder anderen Tipp (speziell zu XMPP) bekommen der echt Hilfreich war und bin bisher nicht auf allzu viele Trolle getroffen. Liegt vermutlich also auch daran wo im Netz man unterwegs ist und wie die eigene Blase aufgestellt ist. Habe lange WhatsApp genutzt, inzwischen Signal, Threema und XMPP (Conversations als Client).<a href="https://metalhead.club/tags/messenger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#messenger</a> <a href="https://metalhead.club/tags/signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#signal</a> <a href="https://metalhead.club/tags/threema" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#threema</a> <a href="https://metalhead.club/tags/matrix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#matrix</a> <a href="https://metalhead.club/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#xmpp</a> <a href="https://metalhead.club/tags/briar" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#briar</a> <a href="https://metalhead.club/tags/whatsapp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#whatsapp</a>

poVoqHello from the other side: Matrix ↔ XMPP via ejabberd 25.03 <a href="https://slrpnk.net/post/20903633" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://slrpnk.net/post/20903633</a>

Mike Kuketz 🛡Die Messenger-Debatte ist kaputt 👇<a href="https://www.kuketz-blog.de/die-messenger-debatte-ist-kaputt/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.kuketz-blog.de/die-messenger-debatte-ist-kaputt/</a><a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/messenger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#messenger</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#signal</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/threema" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#threema</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/matrix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#matrix</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#xmpp</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/briar" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#briar</a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/whatsapp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#whatsapp</a>

froxAlso, there's a rush of running away from <a href="https://tooting.ch/tags/WhatsApp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WhatsApp</a> because of <a href="https://tooting.ch/tags/Meta" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Meta</a> and the US government. But <a href="https://tooting.ch/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Signal</a> is also US-based, runs on US infrastructure (<a href="https://tooting.ch/tags/Amazon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Amazon</a> cloud), is dependent on US government funding. Most importantly, they can decide to completely change any aspect of their service at any point in time. Out of the frying pan into the fire. Meanwhile, people are happily building and hosting the <a href="https://tooting.ch/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> ecosystem

Daniel Gultsch<a href="https://gultsch.social/tags/Conversations_im" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Conversations_im</a> has the ability to fetch outage status information from an independent server and display that in case the regular <a href="https://gultsch.social/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> server can not be reached.This is powered by XEP-0455 (<a href="https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0455.html" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0455.html</a>). TLDR: Server gives client a URL to a JSON file during normal connects, client will hold on to that URL and fetch the JSON file in case server is unreachable.

froxThe <a href="https://tooting.ch/tags/encryption" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#encryption</a> topic in <a href="https://tooting.ch/tags/InstantMesaging" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InstantMesaging</a> is popular again recently. As usual there's a lot of misunderstanding and little discussion of a <a href="https://tooting.ch/tags/ThreatModel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ThreatModel</a> when giving recommendations. If the private key is backed up with Apple or Google from your phone, then your messages may as well not be encrypted 🙈 I've again seen this indirectly with contacts changing phones and their keys are the same as on their old device. Due to automatic backups I guess. Doesn't matter if it's <a href="https://tooting.ch/tags/WhatsApp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WhatsApp</a>, <a href="https://tooting.ch/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Signal</a> or <a href="https://tooting.ch/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>

ｔｏ⟁ｓｔ⟁ｌ<a href="https://types.pl/tags/NixOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#NixOS</a> / <a href="https://types.pl/tags/Nixpkgs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Nixpkgs</a> <a href="https://types.pl/tags/Matrix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Matrix</a> server ‘breaks’ again? Why are we using this bloated protocol anyhow? These rooms have migrated several times, the docs never stay up-to-date, & we waste a lot of resources (storage, compute, RAM) to run this eventual-consistency protocol. But it constantly breaks? Then why f💀cking use it? & Why did it move to Matrix to begin with?While I have beefs with DroneBL blocking residential IPs & being used by both Libera.Chat & OFTC, the most popular <a href="https://types.pl/tags/IRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IRC</a> networks for software, NixOS / Nixpkgs should have stayed on IRC… or if they want the network to be decentralized & with more chat features, it should have <a href="https://types.pl/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>. Matrix doesn’t give you much but headaches. The only positive thing I have heard from anyone is that it’s nice to have a FOSS option instead of using Discord, but those 2 mature protocols were already doing that.

FinnProbably other WebRTC based services will work well, I have not tried yet. If i remember XMPP worked well too, but I did not try audio or video calls.<a href="https://toot.fan/tags/WebRTC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#WebRTC</a> <a href="https://toot.fan/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> <a href="https://toot.fan/tags/Iran" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Iran</a>

Hippo 🍉The EU is mandating messaging apps be compatible with each other, but the current plan is looking less like <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/federation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#federation</a> and more like "register your chat app with Meta, send them all your data, and link with their prescribed APIs that they may decide to change any day"At the risk of preaching to the converted, here's <a href="https://toot.igniterealtime.org/@guusdk" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@guusdk</a> advocating for *real* interoperability between messaging apps, using an existing, battle-tested, <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/IETF" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IETF</a>-backed standard: <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a>! :xmpp:<a href="https://discourse.igniterealtime.org/t/it-s-time-for-real-interoperability-let-s-make-it-happen/95342" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://discourse.igniterealtime.org/t/it-s-time-for-real-interoperability-let-s-make-it-happen/95342</a>

PuercoPop<a href="https://mastodon.social/@ralphm" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@ralphm</a> Going back Slack/Discord use cases, one can react to an old message (ej. for role bots) or use emojis as a way to run informal polls. So they might need to refer to an old message, that requires message IDs, which bring in state to be kept on the server side. <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#xmpp</a> already has that concept from what I can see in the blog, stanza-id. Does the XML parsing requirements of xmpp make use of XML namespaces?

PuercoPop<a href="https://blahaj.social/@leah/114322213914414565" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://blahaj.social/@leah/114322213914414565</a>Looking into the matrix protocol cemented that idea for me. Matrix even described as an "eventually consistent JSON store"! That is not a good thing. Something so complex is unlikely to be implemented by a single user w/o an innordinate amount of effort<a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/irc" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#irc</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#xmpp</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/matrix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#matrix</a>

Ravi DwivediI am impressed by how lightweight <a href="https://toot.io/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> is. Most of time, I am not able to open even simple websites on my mobile data while in underground <a href="https://toot.io/tags/Delhi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Delhi</a> metro, but XMPP messages go through immediately.On a related note, I remember having internet issues in my previous phone a couple of years ago after switching to Lineage OS. Matrix, websites etc. didn't use to work. But XMPP messages used to go through fine.

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