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Delta Chat

@scott @peter if you need any advise or support let us know :) We particular recommend onboarding with a pre-existing group because then the biggest roadblock, "who can I chat with", is mitigated. Many families, little orgs and ad-hoc groups like attendees in a conference talk, successfully started using #deltachat this way and particularly appreciated #webxdc apps that provide an in-chat interactive experience.

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Delta Chat

1 cent per five years .... is the current marginal hosting cost for a #chatmail address, with which #deltachat apps facilitate world-wide private messaging including interactive #webxdc apps that run end-to-end encrypted in any chat group.

<1 Million EUR per year is the estimated marginal hosting costs for 350 Million EU citizens. Such scaling requires, however, research and development, including careful UX and #cryptography work. Related writing from @gordon

newsletter.squishy.computer/p/

screenshot of key excerpt from the referenced post: "When the network is built on cryptographic protocols, we don’t have to trust anything in-between. We don’t have to trust the computers, the wires, the institutions, beliefs, or kinship of the network participants. We can trust the math. All we have to do is verify the message with cryptography. This is a powerful primitive for scaling trust, because it means everyone on the network can cooperate together, even if they don’t trust each-other. The costs to producing high-trust results are greatly reduced, and we can spend our coordination efforts on building larger, more fine-grained, more complex networks of cooperation."
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spla :fed: :vim:

La missatgeria instantània té diversos fedivers, el de #DeltaChat està creixent amb la creació de nous servidors #chatmail 👏
Marxar de les apps de missatgeria instantània tradicionals (Whatsapp, Telegram, Signal) és molt fàcil si cerques #privacitat total. Descarregues l'aplicació DeltaChat, prems el botó crear perfil i ja està, ja tens missatgeria xifrada punt a punt, no controlada ni vigilada per ningú. DeltaChat no et demana número de telèfon ni adreça de correu electrònic personal.

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Yesterday, 20 people from the safesisters.org community onboarded with #DeltaChat in Lusaka, Zambia. Everything worked! Usability, privacy and #OfflineFirst ops were appreciated and #webxdc app based organizing met strong interest. Many participants engage in addressing challenges from surveillance state actors, family and partner abuse. Moreover, people with visual impairment were happy about Android's screen reader support.

It's events like this that validate our efforts!

Photo of a group of black women gathering in a conference room in Lusaka, Zambia. There is a group of people standing in the back, as well as several sitting in front of tables, as well as and on the side. The picture was shot while onboarding with Delta Chat Android took place, and people in the picture consented to publishing.
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Sandro Santilli

Today I learnt: if you configure #DeltaChat to delete messages from server at once after download, you won't be able to send messages to "Saved Messages".
Honestly, it looks like a bug to me, as by definition "Saved Message" are supposed to be for saving them... Would you file a ticket for that ?

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Strypey

Imagine a mobile text chat app that's a cross between Delta.Chat and Silence (defunct SMS app forked from early Signal);
f-droid.org/en/packages/org.sm

As well as being the mobile app for my personal email address, it could also replace my SMS app. With the capacity for E2EE text when the other person's app supports either AutoCrypt (or something based on the variant of Signal's protocol that Silence uses).

f-droid.orgSilence | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App RepositoryEncrypted SMS/MMS conversations made easy!
#chat#E2EE#DeltaChat
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Delta Chat

We have several ground breaking developments going on in the background, and frankly, it's sometimes hard to not pre-announce them excitedly :)

However, we struggle to acquire public funding after the OTF contract broke away in February. Current need is around ~50K per month for ~10 people. , and we would like to support some contributors to switch their day job.

Fallback: even if funding dries up, #deltachat is bound to continue to work. It's pretty maintainable and intrinsically motivated.

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Delta Chat

#deltachat ist a community messenger much more than a monetary focused enterprise. Its offspring developments, the growing #chatmail and #webxdc efforts are also community grounded.

Is there any other cross-platform FOSS messaging project, implementing #RightToExit on many levels, putting all interesting and sensitive computation and interactions into end users devices, constantly and radically denying centrality/control of billionaires and big-tech, to the extent currently possible?

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Delta Chat

Some of you may remember posts where we talk about #deltachat being hardened to work under bad and adverserial network conditions where other messengers fail. Examples were Georgia, Russia and Iran at the time. But hardened network handling can be useful also during non-political turmoil like currently in Spain where there are some reports that DC messages get through where WhatsApp failed .... sonomu.club/@icaria36/11441705

In any case, wishing all the people in Spain and Portugal quick recovery!

SoNoMuicaria36 🎶 (@icaria36@sonomu.club)@delta@chaos.social I've just have received a batch of messages from a friend with a timestamp from 5 and 2 hours ago. This is consistent with the idea that the messages are queued locally until the connections is reestablished. In those messages from hours ago my friend says that WhatsApp or even play mobile phone calls aren't working at all -- no mobile communications. What might happen also is that in such event millions of people reach out to WA servers simultaneously and insistently, which won't help.
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icaria36 🎶

Decir que durante el #apagón, varias amistades que se pusieron #DeltaChat "por mi" han podido ir comunicándose muy a trancas y barrancas cuando tenían algún momento de conexión. Mientras, me explicaban que WhatsApp estaba totalmente cortado, al igual que las llamadas telefónicas normales.

Si tenéis experiencias similares con Delta Chat u otras alternativas libres, compartidlas por favor.

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Delta Chat

@icaria36 yes, currently if your chatmail or email servers fails you wouldn't be able to get messages.

The reason why #deltachat might work better is because it has been optimized to work in bad networks where states are intentionally trying to disrupt communications. Maybe the power outage in spain causes more random network behaviour (eg DNS failures) which delta is pretty prepared to deal with. In any case thanks for the notice and all the best with restoring power!

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icaria36 🎶

Still... I guess even #DeltaChat communications would fail me if the data center of my ChatMail server would be affected by a power cut, right? Or is there some kind of redundancy?

No idea how accidental this #blackout is, but it's a good chance to think how to make your mobile phone still useful when a bunch of servers (including your default ones) go off.

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icaria36 🎶

There is an ongoing massive electricity power #blackout in Spain and Portugal. Some of my friends are reporting that not even WhatsApp is reliable, working for some contacts and not for others. I'm still trying to understand how this is possible, and maybe it has to do with the recipients'nearest telecommunications more than the WA servers.

Anyway, fun fact, the friends who reached out did it via #DeltaChat

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